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Benedikt Ritter-4
Hi,

we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
several things we could do to improve our "public relations".

Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
that I volunteer to do the work ;-)

1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
 - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
also at github
 - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
 - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
project already has such an account. [2]

2. Make the website more attractive
 - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
about the website.
 - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm really
interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big fat
list that contains all components when most people probably only use a few.

WDYT?
Benedikt

[1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
[2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
[3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
[4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
[5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk


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Re: [ALL] Improving Commons public relations

Gilles Sadowski
Hello.

>
> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been
> thinking
> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
>
> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I
> mean,
> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
>
> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
>  - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything
> is
> also at github
>  - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing
> ones)
>  - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The
> Mesos
> project already has such an account. [2]
>
> 2. Make the website more attractive
>  - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it
> when
> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well,
> this is
> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the
> maven
> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do
> something
> about the website.
>  - include a news section on the main page - Having all the
> components
> listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm
> really
> interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has
> been
> created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a
> big fat
> list that contains all components when most people probably only use
> a few.
>

3. Insert links to Commons projects in the "External links" section of
    related Wikipedia articles.


Regards,
Gilles


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Re: [ALL] Improving Commons public relations

garydgregory
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All good ideas.

Gary

On Jul 4, 2013, at 16:20, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
>
> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
>
> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
> - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
> also at github
> - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
> - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
> project already has such an account. [2]
>
> 2. Make the website more attractive
> - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
> about the website.
> - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
> listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm really
> interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
> created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big fat
> list that contains all components when most people probably only use a few.
>
> WDYT?
> Benedikt
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
> [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
> [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
> [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
> [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
>
>
> --
> http://people.apache.org/~britter/
> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
> http://github.com/britter

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Re: [ALL] Improving Commons public relations

Anshul Zunke
Hi Benedikt,

I will add 1 more imp point.

We should public relations more with the student circles. No doubt Apache
is very very popular in java programming group. But ppl especially students
dont know how to contribute in it.


Thanks



On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Gary Gregory <[hidden email]> wrote:

> All good ideas.
>
> Gary
>
> On Jul 4, 2013, at 16:20, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> > contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
> > about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> > several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
> >
> > Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
> > that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
> >
> > 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
> > - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
> > also at github
> > - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
> > - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
> > project already has such an account. [2]
> >
> > 2. Make the website more attractive
> > - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
> > someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
> > true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
> > fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
> > about the website.
> > - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
> > listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm
> really
> > interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
> > created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> > released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big
> fat
> > list that contains all components when most people probably only use a
> few.
> >
> > WDYT?
> > Benedikt
> >
> > [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
> > [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
> > [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
> > [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
> > [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://people.apache.org/~britter/
> > http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> > http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
> > http://github.com/britter
>
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Benedikt Ritter-4
2013/7/5 Anshul Zunke <[hidden email]>

> Hi Benedikt,
>
> I will add 1 more imp point.
>
> We should public relations more with the student circles. No doubt Apache
> is very very popular in java programming group. But ppl especially students
> dont know how to contribute in it.
>

But how do we do this? I Think none of us has the spare time to visit
universities and animate students.


>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > All good ideas.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > On Jul 4, 2013, at 16:20, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> > > contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
> > > about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> > > several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
> > >
> > > Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I
> mean,
> > > that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
> > >
> > > 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
> > > - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
> > > also at github
> > > - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
> > > - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The
> Mesos
> > > project already has such an account. [2]
> > >
> > > 2. Make the website more attractive
> > > - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
> > > someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this
> is
> > > true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
> > > fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
> > > about the website.
> > > - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
> > > listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm
> > really
> > > interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has
> been
> > > created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> > > released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big
> > fat
> > > list that contains all components when most people probably only use a
> > few.
> > >
> > > WDYT?
> > > Benedikt
> > >
> > > [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
> > > [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
> > > [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
> > > [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
> > > [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://people.apache.org/~britter/
> > > http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> > > http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
> > > http://github.com/britter
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
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>



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Re: [ALL] Improving Commons public relations

Anshul Zunke
I think this can be done through social medias like Facebook etc. If we
create an official page of this community and some of us could give some
time in helping members of the page through their java code etc they will
get attracted towards contributing.


On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 2013/7/5 Anshul Zunke <[hidden email]>
>
> > Hi Benedikt,
> >
> > I will add 1 more imp point.
> >
> > We should public relations more with the student circles. No doubt Apache
> > is very very popular in java programming group. But ppl especially
> students
> > dont know how to contribute in it.
> >
>
> But how do we do this? I Think none of us has the spare time to visit
> universities and animate students.
>
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > All good ideas.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > On Jul 4, 2013, at 16:20, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> > > > contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been
> thinking
> > > > about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> > > > several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
> > > >
> > > > Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I
> > mean,
> > > > that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
> > > >
> > > > 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
> > > > - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything
> is
> > > > also at github
> > > > - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
> > > > - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The
> > Mesos
> > > > project already has such an account. [2]
> > > >
> > > > 2. Make the website more attractive
> > > > - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
> > > > someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well,
> this
> > is
> > > > true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the
> maven
> > > > fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do
> something
> > > > about the website.
> > > > - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
> > > > listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm
> > > really
> > > > interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has
> > been
> > > > created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> > > > released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a
> big
> > > fat
> > > > list that contains all components when most people probably only use
> a
> > > few.
> > > >
> > > > WDYT?
> > > > Benedikt
> > > >
> > > > [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
> > > > [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
> > > > [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
> > > > [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
> > > > [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://people.apache.org/~britter/
> > > > http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> > > > http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
> > > > http://github.com/britter
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anshul Zunke
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
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Re: [ALL] Improving Commons public relations

Olivier Lamy
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Huge +1

2013/7/5 Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>:

> Hi,
>
> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
>
> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
>
> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
>  - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
> also at github
>  - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
>  - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
> project already has such an account. [2]
>
> 2. Make the website more attractive
>  - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
> about the website.
>  - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
> listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm really
> interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
> created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big fat
> list that contains all components when most people probably only use a few.
>
> WDYT?
> Benedikt
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
> [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
> [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
> [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
> [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
>
>
> --
> http://people.apache.org/~britter/
> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
> http://github.com/britter



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garydgregory
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Instead of mirroring to git why not switch to git?

Gary

On Jul 4, 2013, at 16:20, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
>
> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
>
> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
> - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
> also at github
> - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
> - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
> project already has such an account. [2]
>
> 2. Make the website more attractive
> - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
> about the website.
> - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
> listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm really
> interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
> created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big fat
> list that contains all components when most people probably only use a few.
>
> WDYT?
> Benedikt
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
> [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
> [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
> [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
> [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
>
>
> --
> http://people.apache.org/~britter/
> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
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Benedikt Ritter-4
I'd really like to see that, but as far as I can remember there were
arguments against this kind of change, when we discussed this the last time.
Maybe you can just create a [PROPOSAL] or even a [VOTE] and  we'll see what
happens? ;-)

Benedikt


2013/7/5 Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>

> Instead of mirroring to git why not switch to git?
>
> Gary
>
> On Jul 4, 2013, at 16:20, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> > contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
> > about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> > several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
> >
> > Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
> > that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
> >
> > 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
> > - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
> > also at github
> > - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
> > - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
> > project already has such an account. [2]
> >
> > 2. Make the website more attractive
> > - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
> > someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
> > true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
> > fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
> > about the website.
> > - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
> > listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm
> really
> > interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
> > created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> > released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big
> fat
> > list that contains all components when most people probably only use a
> few.
> >
> > WDYT?
> > Benedikt
> >
> > [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
> > [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
> > [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
> > [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
> > [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://people.apache.org/~britter/
> > http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> > http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
> > http://github.com/britter
>
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Benedikt Ritter-4
In reply to this post by Anshul Zunke
2013/7/5 Anshul Zunke <[hidden email]>

> I think this can be done through social medias like Facebook etc. If we
> create an official page of this community and some of us could give some
> time in helping members of the page through their java code etc they will
> get attracted towards contributing.
>

I don't see training of inexperienced developers as a responsibility of
commons.
We have the user ML for questions about using the components.

Or do you think mailing lists are to dated to attract younger people?

Benedikt


>
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > 2013/7/5 Anshul Zunke <[hidden email]>
> >
> > > Hi Benedikt,
> > >
> > > I will add 1 more imp point.
> > >
> > > We should public relations more with the student circles. No doubt
> Apache
> > > is very very popular in java programming group. But ppl especially
> > students
> > > dont know how to contribute in it.
> > >
> >
> > But how do we do this? I Think none of us has the spare time to visit
> > universities and animate students.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > All good ideas.
> > > >
> > > > Gary
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 4, 2013, at 16:20, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> > > > > contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been
> > thinking
> > > > > about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there
> are
> > > > > several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I
> > > mean,
> > > > > that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
> > > > > - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that
> everything
> > is
> > > > > also at github
> > > > > - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing
> ones)
> > > > > - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The
> > > Mesos
> > > > > project already has such an account. [2]
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Make the website more attractive
> > > > > - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it
> when
> > > > > someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well,
> > this
> > > is
> > > > > true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the
> > maven
> > > > > fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do
> > something
> > > > > about the website.
> > > > > - include a news section on the main page - Having all the
> components
> > > > > listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what
> I'm
> > > > really
> > > > > interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has
> > > been
> > > > > created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> > > > > released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a
> > big
> > > > fat
> > > > > list that contains all components when most people probably only
> use
> > a
> > > > few.
> > > > >
> > > > > WDYT?
> > > > > Benedikt
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
> > > > > [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
> > > > > [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
> > > > > [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
> > > > > [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
> > > > >
> > > > >
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2013/7/4 Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>

> Hi,
>
> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
>
> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
>
> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
>  - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
> also at github
>

I have created INFRA-6500 [1] for this purpose. Lot's of work to do for
INFRA :-)
Infra wants you to tell them whether your SVN repository layout follows the
known conventions, so I didn't create requests for:

* DBCP - it has a file "release-process.txt" on the top level. Can we move
it to dbcp/trunk/ ?
* JCS - it has a tempbuilds/ folder that contains RCs of previous releases.
What to do with this?
* Pool - it has a readme.txt that contains information about the currently
maintained versions. Can we put this information on the website and remove
the file?

Next stop: Ohloh...

Benedikt

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6500


>  - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
>  - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
> project already has such an account. [2]
>
> 2. Make the website more attractive
>  - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
> about the website.
>  - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
> listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm really
> interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
> created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big fat
> list that contains all components when most people probably only use a few.
>
> WDYT?
> Benedikt
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
> [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
> [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
> [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
> [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
>
>
> --
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> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
> http://github.com/britter
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On 6 July 2013 13:52, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 2013/7/4 Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
>> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
>> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
>> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
>>
>> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
>> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
>>
>> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
>>  - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
>> also at github
>>
>
> I have created INFRA-6500 [1] for this purpose. Lot's of work to do for
> INFRA :-)
> Infra wants you to tell them whether your SVN repository layout follows the
> known conventions, so I didn't create requests for:
>
> * DBCP - it has a file "release-process.txt" on the top level. Can we move
> it to dbcp/trunk/ ?

Why is it a problem having files at top level?

> * JCS - it has a tempbuilds/ folder that contains RCs of previous releases.
> What to do with this?

I think it should be deleted.

> * Pool - it has a readme.txt that contains information about the currently
> maintained versions. Can we put this information on the website and remove
> the file?

The file really belongs in SVN; I don't think the website is the
proper place for it.

> Next stop: Ohloh...
>
> Benedikt
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6500
>
>
>>  - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
>>  - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
>> project already has such an account. [2]
>>
>> 2. Make the website more attractive
>>  - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
>> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
>> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
>> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
>> about the website.
>>  - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
>> listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm really
>> interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
>> created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
>> released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big fat
>> list that contains all components when most people probably only use a few.
>>
>> WDYT?
>> Benedikt
>>
>> [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
>> [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
>> [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
>> [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
>> [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://people.apache.org/~britter/
>> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
>> http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
>> http://github.com/britter
>>
>
>
>
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2013/7/6 sebb <[hidden email]>

> On 6 July 2013 13:52, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > 2013/7/4 Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> >> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
> >> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> >> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
> >>
> >> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I
> mean,
> >> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
> >>
> >> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
> >>  - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
> >> also at github
> >>
> >
> > I have created INFRA-6500 [1] for this purpose. Lot's of work to do for
> > INFRA :-)
> > Infra wants you to tell them whether your SVN repository layout follows
> the
> > known conventions, so I didn't create requests for:
> >
> > * DBCP - it has a file "release-process.txt" on the top level. Can we
> move
> > it to dbcp/trunk/ ?
>
> Why is it a problem having files at top level?
>

I don't know which tools infra uses to create the git mirrors and having
files in the top directory is not a standard svn repository layout [1]. So
I thought, I'd better ask :-) If you think it's no problem, I'll just
create the issue and see what infra says.


>
> > * JCS - it has a tempbuilds/ folder that contains RCs of previous
> releases.
> > What to do with this?
>
> I think it should be deleted.


Okay, do we need to discuss this on a separate thread or can I just go
ahead and remove it?


>
> > * Pool - it has a readme.txt that contains information about the
> currently
> > maintained versions. Can we put this information on the website and
> remove
> > the file?
>
> The file really belongs in SVN; I don't think the website is the
> proper place for it.
>

okay, same applies as for DBCP, I'll just create an issue and see what
happens.

Benedikt

[1]
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.6/svn-book.html#svn.tour.importing.layout


>
> > Next stop: Ohloh...
> >
> > Benedikt
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6500
> >
> >
> >>  - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
> >>  - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The
> Mesos
> >> project already has such an account. [2]
> >>
> >> 2. Make the website more attractive
> >>  - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
> >> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this
> is
> >> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
> >> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
> >> about the website.
> >>  - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
> >> listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm
> really
> >> interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
> >> created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> >> released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big
> fat
> >> list that contains all components when most people probably only use a
> few.
> >>
> >> WDYT?
> >> Benedikt
> >>
> >> [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
> >> [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
> >> [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
> >> [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
> >> [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://people.apache.org/~britter/
> >> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> >> http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
> >> http://github.com/britter
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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On 6 July 2013 14:48, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 2013/7/6 sebb <[hidden email]>
>
>> On 6 July 2013 13:52, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > 2013/7/4 Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
>> >> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
>> >> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
>> >> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
>> >>
>> >> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I
>> mean,
>> >> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
>> >>
>> >> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
>> >>  - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
>> >> also at github
>> >>
>> >
>> > I have created INFRA-6500 [1] for this purpose. Lot's of work to do for
>> > INFRA :-)
>> > Infra wants you to tell them whether your SVN repository layout follows
>> the
>> > known conventions, so I didn't create requests for:
>> >
>> > * DBCP - it has a file "release-process.txt" on the top level. Can we
>> move
>> > it to dbcp/trunk/ ?
>>
>> Why is it a problem having files at top level?
>>
>
> I don't know which tools infra uses to create the git mirrors and having
> files in the top directory is not a standard svn repository layout [1]. So
> I thought, I'd better ask :-) If you think it's no problem, I'll just
> create the issue and see what infra says.

I know it's not a problem for SVN.
I have no idea if it is a problem for a Git mirror.

>
>>
>> > * JCS - it has a tempbuilds/ folder that contains RCs of previous
>> releases.
>> > What to do with this?
>>
>> I think it should be deleted.
>
>
> Okay, do we need to discuss this on a separate thread or can I just go
> ahead and remove it?

Best to start a separate thread using [JCS] prefix; it's nothing
directly to do with this thread so may be overlooked by some.


>
>>
>> > * Pool - it has a readme.txt that contains information about the
>> currently
>> > maintained versions. Can we put this information on the website and
>> remove
>> > the file?
>>
>> The file really belongs in SVN; I don't think the website is the
>> proper place for it.
>>
>
> okay, same applies as for DBCP, I'll just create an issue and see what
> happens.
>
> Benedikt
>
> [1]
> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.6/svn-book.html#svn.tour.importing.layout
>
>
>>
>> > Next stop: Ohloh...
>> >
>> > Benedikt
>> >
>> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6500
>> >
>> >
>> >>  - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
>> >>  - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The
>> Mesos
>> >> project already has such an account. [2]
>> >>
>> >> 2. Make the website more attractive
>> >>  - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
>> >> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this
>> is
>> >> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
>> >> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
>> >> about the website.
>> >>  - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
>> >> listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm
>> really
>> >> interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
>> >> created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
>> >> released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big
>> fat
>> >> list that contains all components when most people probably only use a
>> few.
>> >>
>> >> WDYT?
>> >> Benedikt
>> >>
>> >> [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
>> >> [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
>> >> [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
>> >> [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
>> >> [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> http://people.apache.org/~britter/
>> >> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
>> >> http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
>> >> http://github.com/britter
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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2013/7/4 Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>

> Hi,
>
> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
>
> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
>
> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
>  - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
> also at github
>  - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
>  - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
> project already has such an account. [2]
>

I have created a twitter account: https://twitter.com/ApacheCommons
Please follow and retweet ;-)

The account is linked to my @apache.org email address. Where do I put the
password?

Benedikt


>
> 2. Make the website more attractive
>  - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
> about the website.
>  - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
> listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm really
> interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
> created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big fat
> list that contains all components when most people probably only use a few.
>
> WDYT?
> Benedikt
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
> [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
> [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
> [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
> [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
>
>
> --
> http://people.apache.org/~britter/
> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
> http://github.com/britter
>



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2013/7/7 Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>:

> 2013/7/4 Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
>> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
>> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
>> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
>>
>> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
>> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
>>
>> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
>>  - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
>> also at github
>>  - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
>>  - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
>> project already has such an account. [2]
>>
>
> I have created a twitter account: https://twitter.com/ApacheCommons
> Please follow and retweet ;-)
>
> The account is linked to my @apache.org email address. Where do I put the
> password?

usually others Apache projects stored that in pmc private area.


>
> Benedikt
>
>
>>
>> 2. Make the website more attractive
>>  - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
>> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
>> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
>> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
>> about the website.
>>  - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
>> listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm really
>> interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
>> created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
>> released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big fat
>> list that contains all components when most people probably only use a few.
>>
>> WDYT?
>> Benedikt
>>
>> [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
>> [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
>> [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
>> [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
>> [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://people.apache.org/~britter/
>> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
>> http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
>> http://github.com/britter
>>
>
>
>
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2013/7/4 Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>

> Hi,
>
> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
>
> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
>
> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
>  - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
> also at github
>  - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
>

I've worked my way through Ohloh this weekend. I cleaned up all components
that where already present. They all follow the structure of [MATH] now:

Project Name: Apache Commons <component-name>
URL: http://www.ohloh.net/p/apache-commons-<component-name>

I've updated all URLs and added links to the mailing list.
I also added some tags were it seemed reasonable.

I ran into problems with some components:
* IO could not be renamed because "Apache Commons IO" is already in use.
I've searched Ohloh for this name and didn't find anything. So I've created
a request in their support forum. Some for Commons Transaction.
* There are two entries for OGNL: The components and Commons and the
original source at github.
* Betwixt, FileUpload and Jelly haven't synchronized for a long while. I've
created a separate thread for this in the support forum.
* I wasn't able to edit JEXL, because it is managed by henrib.

Most components don't have a manager and changes can be made by anybody. I
don't know if it makes sense to restrict this.

Now I have enough of Ohloh for a week :-) I'll start adding missing
components, when I got the time.

Regards,
Benedikt


>  - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
> project already has such an account. [2]
>
> 2. Make the website more attractive
>  - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
> about the website.
>  - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
> listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm really
> interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
> created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
> released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big fat
> list that contains all components when most people probably only use a few.
>
> WDYT?
> Benedikt
>
> [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
> [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
> [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
> [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
> [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
>
>
> --
> http://people.apache.org/~britter/
> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
> http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
> http://github.com/britter
>



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Re: [ALL] Improving Commons public relations

Bruno P. Kinoshita
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Hi Benedikt

>I have created a twitter account: https://twitter.com/ApacheCommons
>Please follow and retweet ;-)

Great initiative! I'm already following it, thanks! 

And while on a similar subject, few days ago I started a small python project to create a Twitter bot [1], that reads the [ANNOUNCE], [ANN] and [ANNOUNCEMENT] messages posted to the announce mailing list and tweets them. I've been doing that manually in another Twitter account, and thought it would be cool to automate it (like what was done in the Jenkins CI project [2])

I finished the code yesterday and after a few tweaks, and after today's release (Apache Camel) I believe it is working correctly, though I'll have to wait few more announcements to make sure it has no bugs.

The code is hosted at GitHub [3], it's written in Python and uses a GPL MarkMail API (some simple python REST client).

Thanks again and have a great week.

[1] http://twitter.com/asf_releases
[2] http://twitter.com/jenkins_release
[3] http://github.com/tupilabs/asf_releases_aggregator

Bruno P. Kinoshita
http://kinoshita.eti.br
http://tupilabs.com


>________________________________
> From: Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>
>To: Commons Developers List <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 9:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [ALL] Improving Commons public relations
>
>
>2013/7/4 Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
>> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
>> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
>> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
>>
>> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
>> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
>>
>> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
>>  - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
>> also at github
>>  - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
>>  - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
>> project already has such an account. [2]
>>
>
>I have created a twitter account: https://twitter.com/ApacheCommons
>Please follow and retweet ;-)
>
>The account is linked to my @apache.org email address. Where do I put the
>password?
>
>Benedikt
>
>
>>
>> 2. Make the website more attractive
>>  - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
>> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
>> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
>> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
>> about the website.
>>  - include a news section on the main page - Having all the components
>> listed on the home page is a good thing for navigation, but what I'm really
>> interested in, are news about the development. A new git mirror has been
>> created? Cool, thanks for telling me. Collections 4 alpha1 has been
>> released? Good to know, I'll download it right away. No need for a big fat
>> list that contains all components when most people probably only use a few.
>>
>> WDYT?
>> Benedikt
>>
>> [1] http://markmail.org/message/o7ef6o4ahe23k5iu
>> [2] https://twitter.com/ApacheMesos
>> [3] http://markmail.org/message/tkh4yqfcqg5i444g
>> [4] http://markmail.org/message/jnlyhbh5yq3zp54t
>> [5] http://markmail.org/message/jk4addjqw67476bk
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://people.apache.org/~britter/
>> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
>> http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter
>> http://github.com/britter
>>
>
>
>
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>http://www.systemoutprintln.de/
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Re: [ALL] Improving Commons public relations

Thomas Neidhart
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On 07/04/2013 10:20 PM, Benedikt Ritter wrote:

> Hi,
>
> we had this discussion lately where we talked about attracting new
> contributors for commons [1]. Over the past few days I've been thinking
> about this topic again and I've come to the conclusion that there are
> several things we could do to improve our "public relations".
>
> Here is a list of things that I would like to change (and by this I mean,
> that I volunteer to do the work ;-)
>
> 1. Make commons more visible in coding social media
>  - request git mirrors for every proper component, so that everything is
> also at github
>  - add all proper components to Ohloh (and clean up the existing ones)
>  - create a Twitter account where we can post news from commons. The Mesos
> project already has such an account. [2]
>
> 2. Make the website more attractive
>  - Use a modern design - I don't know who said it, but I loved it when
> someone said "our website looks like we're java 1.3 users". Well, this is
> true. Simone made several attempts to make commons switch to the maven
> fluido skin [3,4,5]. I think the time has come to finally do something
> about the website.

I like the design of the log4j2 site, I am unsure if it is based on
fluido or actually the same, but something like this I would like to see
for commons too. The current design looks so old and rusty and can give
a wrong impression on the state of the project. Website design in
general and of open-source projects has greatly improved in the last
couple of years, we should not stay behind.

I am not so much into the social coding stuff, although I find it quite
nice, especially if somebody else handles it ;-).

Otoh, the single most important factor to attract users and/or
contributors is simply to actively maintain the project and try to be
better than competing libs, imho. There are several examples of
components that were probably great a few years ago, but are now way
behind other libs in terms of features, usability, java language
support,  community.

Personally, I think we should be more open to deprecate components that
are not maintained for years and have better alternatives. Right now,
commons sometimes looks like a graveyard of once cool stuff (with a few
exceptions). Cut it down to well maintained and really used libs, and
probably more people will think that commons is a good place to develop
new stuff / components.

Thomas

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Phil Steitz
On 7/8/13 2:51 PM, Thomas Neidhart wrote:

>
> Otoh, the single most important factor to attract users and/or
> contributors is simply to actively maintain the project and try to be
> better than competing libs, imho. There are several examples of
> components that were probably great a few years ago, but are now way
> behind other libs in terms of features, usability, java language
> support,  community.
>
> Personally, I think we should be more open to deprecate components that
> are not maintained for years and have better alternatives. Right now,
> commons sometimes looks like a graveyard of once cool stuff (with a few
> exceptions). Cut it down to well maintained and really used libs, and
> probably more people will think that commons is a good place to develop
> new stuff / components.

+1
Phil
>
> Thomas
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