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[FUNCTOR] How do we move on?

Benedikt Ritter-4
Hi,

Functor was a nice idea back in 2011, but I think we promoted it to proper prematurely. In the light of Java 8 and it’s functional programming support, it is questionable whether a component like functor is really needed anymore. So the question is: how do we get on from here? I see several options:

- move functor back to sandbox and see whether is catches attention some time
- move functor to dormant - nobody needs it anymore with Java 8 out of the door
- redefine the component to target Java 8 and explicitly provide utilities for the classes in the java.util.function package

My preference would be the last option. But I don’t see my self having a lot of time to work on this. But I’d be happy to see a group of dev forming who give this component a new direction.

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Re: [FUNCTOR] How do we move on?

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On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Functor was a nice idea back in 2011, but I think we promoted it to proper
> prematurely. In the light of Java 8 and it’s functional programming
> support, it is questionable whether a component like functor is really
> needed anymore. So the question is: how do we get on from here? I see
> several options:
>
> - move functor back to sandbox and see whether is catches attention some
> time
> - move functor to dormant - nobody needs it anymore with Java 8 out of the
> door
> - redefine the component to target Java 8 and explicitly provide utilities
> for the classes in the java.util.function package
>
> My preference would be the last option. But I don’t see my self having a
> lot of time to work on this. But I’d be happy to see a group of dev forming
> who give this component a new direction.
>

I am OK with moving it to dormant. In my mind, your option 3 belongs in
[lang].

Gary


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> Benedikt
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Re: [FUNCTOR] How do we move on?

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Hello Gary,

> Am 17.05.2017 um 15:01 schrieb Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>:
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Functor was a nice idea back in 2011, but I think we promoted it to proper
>> prematurely. In the light of Java 8 and it’s functional programming
>> support, it is questionable whether a component like functor is really
>> needed anymore. So the question is: how do we get on from here? I see
>> several options:
>>
>> - move functor back to sandbox and see whether is catches attention some
>> time
>> - move functor to dormant - nobody needs it anymore with Java 8 out of the
>> door
>> - redefine the component to target Java 8 and explicitly provide utilities
>> for the classes in the java.util.function package
>>
>> My preference would be the last option. But I don’t see my self having a
>> lot of time to work on this. But I’d be happy to see a group of dev forming
>> who give this component a new direction.
>>
>
> I am OK with moving it to dormant. In my mind, your option 3 belongs in
> [lang].

I don’t think we should put this stuff into [lang] for the following two reasons:

1. It will take a while (maybe years) until we move [lang] to Java 8. As far as I can remember we planned to wait with that until Lang 4.0
2. [lang] is about the java.lang package and we already have concurrent and reflect stuff in there. I don’t see why we should add stuff from java.util.function. I think it is a good think to have small, focused components. So what’s the harm in having a specific component for this?

Regards,
Benedikt

>
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>
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Re: [FUNCTOR] How do we move on?

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On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello Gary,
>
> > Am 17.05.2017 um 15:01 schrieb Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Functor was a nice idea back in 2011, but I think we promoted it to
> proper
> >> prematurely. In the light of Java 8 and it’s functional programming
> >> support, it is questionable whether a component like functor is really
> >> needed anymore. So the question is: how do we get on from here? I see
> >> several options:
> >>
> >> - move functor back to sandbox and see whether is catches attention some
> >> time
> >> - move functor to dormant - nobody needs it anymore with Java 8 out of
> the
> >> door
> >> - redefine the component to target Java 8 and explicitly provide
> utilities
> >> for the classes in the java.util.function package
> >>
> >> My preference would be the last option. But I don’t see my self having a
> >> lot of time to work on this. But I’d be happy to see a group of dev
> forming
> >> who give this component a new direction.
> >>
> >
> > I am OK with moving it to dormant. In my mind, your option 3 belongs in
> > [lang].
>
> I don’t think we should put this stuff into [lang] for the following two
> reasons:
>
> 1. It will take a while (maybe years) until we move [lang] to Java 8. As
> far as I can remember we planned to wait with that until Lang 4.0
> 2. [lang] is about the java.lang package and we already have concurrent
> and reflect stuff in there. I don’t see why we should add stuff from
> java.util.function. I think it is a good think to have small, focused
> components. So what’s the harm in having a specific component for this?
>

There is no harm indeed :-) I would just look for something like that in
[lang], but that's just me ;-)

Gary

>
> Regards,
> Benedikt
>
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >> Regards,
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Re: [FUNCTOR] How do we move on?

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> Am 17.05.2017 um 19:38 schrieb Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>:
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>> Hello Gary,
>>
>>> Am 17.05.2017 um 15:01 schrieb Gary Gregory <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Functor was a nice idea back in 2011, but I think we promoted it to
>> proper
>>>> prematurely. In the light of Java 8 and it’s functional programming
>>>> support, it is questionable whether a component like functor is really
>>>> needed anymore. So the question is: how do we get on from here? I see
>>>> several options:
>>>>
>>>> - move functor back to sandbox and see whether is catches attention some
>>>> time
>>>> - move functor to dormant - nobody needs it anymore with Java 8 out of
>> the
>>>> door
>>>> - redefine the component to target Java 8 and explicitly provide
>> utilities
>>>> for the classes in the java.util.function package
>>>>
>>>> My preference would be the last option. But I don’t see my self having a
>>>> lot of time to work on this. But I’d be happy to see a group of dev
>> forming
>>>> who give this component a new direction.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am OK with moving it to dormant. In my mind, your option 3 belongs in
>>> [lang].
>>
>> I don’t think we should put this stuff into [lang] for the following two
>> reasons:
>>
>> 1. It will take a while (maybe years) until we move [lang] to Java 8. As
>> far as I can remember we planned to wait with that until Lang 4.0
>> 2. [lang] is about the java.lang package and we already have concurrent
>> and reflect stuff in there. I don’t see why we should add stuff from
>> java.util.function. I think it is a good think to have small, focused
>> components. So what’s the harm in having a specific component for this?
>>
>
> There is no harm indeed :-) I would just look for something like that in
> [lang], but that's just me ;-)

I’d like to hear opinions on this from Bruno and Matt, since they implemented a good part of what we have now in functor.

>
> Gary
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Benedikt
>>
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
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TBH I cleaned up more than I implemented, but okay. What happened was
we changed the nomenclature to better mesh with Java 8 and that pretty
much killed the momentum on the project, despite having been the right
thing to do. I wouldn't mind seeing a redefined component such as you
have suggested, but I don't know that we'd easily settle on a
direction for it.

Matt

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> Am 17.05.2017 um 19:38 schrieb Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>:
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hello Gary,
>
> Am 17.05.2017 um 15:01 schrieb Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>:
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]
>
> <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Functor was a nice idea back in 2011, but I think we promoted it to
>
> proper
>
> prematurely. In the light of Java 8 and it’s functional programming
> support, it is questionable whether a component like functor is really
> needed anymore. So the question is: how do we get on from here? I see
> several options:
>
> - move functor back to sandbox and see whether is catches attention some
> time
> - move functor to dormant - nobody needs it anymore with Java 8 out of
>
> the
>
> door
> - redefine the component to target Java 8 and explicitly provide
>
> utilities
>
> for the classes in the java.util.function package
>
> My preference would be the last option. But I don’t see my self having a
> lot of time to work on this. But I’d be happy to see a group of dev
>
> forming
>
> who give this component a new direction.
>
>
> I am OK with moving it to dormant. In my mind, your option 3 belongs in
> [lang].
>
>
> I don’t think we should put this stuff into [lang] for the following two
> reasons:
>
> 1. It will take a while (maybe years) until we move [lang] to Java 8. As
> far as I can remember we planned to wait with that until Lang 4.0
> 2. [lang] is about the java.lang package and we already have concurrent
> and reflect stuff in there. I don’t see why we should add stuff from
> java.util.function. I think it is a good think to have small, focused
> components. So what’s the harm in having a specific component for this?
>
>
> There is no harm indeed :-) I would just look for something like that in
> [lang], but that's just me ;-)
>
>
> I’d like to hear opinions on this from Bruno and Matt, since they
> implemented a good part of what we have now in functor.
>
>
> Gary
>
>
> Regards,
> Benedikt
>
>
> Gary
>
>
> Regards,
> Benedikt
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Re: [FUNCTOR] How do we move on?

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I'd like to have more time to work on [functor], but I think it more likely that I will jump to work on [text] and [jelly] in the next months. If I remember well, there were a few utility classes that even now with Java 8 are still missing from the language. These could either be ported to Lang or to the third option I think.

It could be moved to dormant or sandbox in the meantime, until anybody decides to work on it or port the classes to somewhere else.

Cheers
Bruno


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Am 17.05.2017 um 19:38 schrieb Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>:

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>On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>Hello Gary,
>>
>>
>>Am 17.05.2017 um 15:01 schrieb Gary Gregory <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Benedikt Ritter <[hidden email]
>>><mailto:[hidden email]>>
>>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>Functor was a nice idea back in 2011, but I think we promoted it to
>>>>proper
>>
>>prematurely. In the light of Java 8 and it’s functional programming
>>>>support, it is questionable whether a component like functor is really
>>>>needed anymore. So the question is: how do we get on from here? I see
>>>>several options:
>>>>
>>>>- move functor back to sandbox and see whether is catches attention some
>>>>time
>>>>- move functor to dormant - nobody needs it anymore with Java 8 out of
>>>>the
>>
>>door
>>>>- redefine the component to target Java 8 and explicitly provide
>>>>utilities
>>
>>for the classes in the java.util.function package
>>>>
>>>>My preference would be the last option. But I don’t see my self having a
>>>>lot of time to work on this. But I’d be happy to see a group of dev
>>>>forming
>>
>>who give this component a new direction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I am OK with moving it to dormant. In my mind, your option 3 belongs in
>>>[lang].
>>>
>>I don’t think we should put this stuff into [lang] for the following two
>>reasons:
>>
>>1. It will take a while (maybe years) until we move [lang] to Java 8. As
>>far as I can remember we planned to wait with that until Lang 4.0
>>2. [lang] is about the java.lang package and we already have concurrent
>>and reflect stuff in there. I don’t see why we should add stuff from
>>java.util.function. I think it is a good think to have small, focused
>>components. So what’s the harm in having a specific component for this?
>>
>>
>There is no harm indeed :-) I would just look for something like that in
>[lang], but that's just me ;-)
>

I’d like to hear opinions on this from Bruno and Matt, since they implemented a good part of what we have now in functor.



>Gary
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>>Regards,
>>Benedikt
>>
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>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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