[Jakarta-commons Wiki] Update of "JakartaCommonsEtiquette" by SimonKitching

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  The sandbox is a space provided by Jakarta for the development of experimental code by existing committers. It is divided into components.
 
- Any Jakarta committer has the right ask for karma and have it granted. The right place to ask is on the commons-dev mailing list.
+ Any Jakarta committer (not just commons committers) has the right ask for karma (commit access) and have it granted. The right place to ask is on the commons-dev mailing list.
 
- Components cannot be released from the sandbox.
+ Components cannot be released from the sandbox. This means no binaries posted anywere on the apache site as "0.x" releases, as this implies that Apache supports the released code. Users of sandbox code are expected to extract the latest source from the source code repository and build the code themselves.
+
+ Commit access to the sandbox is unfortunately '''not''' available to people who are not existing Jakarta committers, no matter how good their idea. Such projects are generally encouraged to start somewhere like sourceforge.net. Once a solid community has been established and existing projects are using the component, it may be possible to integrate the project direct into commons if the project developers feel that is appropriate, and the commons community feels the component is a good fit with commons goals.
 
  = Sandbox Etiquette =
 
@@ -48, +50 @@

 
  There is one important point about the list on the STATUS file. It is used to work out whose VOTEs are binding. (Since there are a lot of commons committers, this is more useful than it might first seem.) If you're name isn't on the list, your vote won't count :)
 
+ For components that use '''Maven''' as their build tool (and that is most of them now), you should add your name to the developers list in the project.xml file rather than the STATUS file if you intend to work on a component.
+
  = VOTEs =
 
  The commons-dev mailing list is a busy place. Very much a bazaar rather than a Cathedral. This means that VOTE threads have a habit of petering out. It a good idea to post a <tt>[VOTE][RESULT]</tt> which counts the binding VOTEs and tells people the result.
@@ -60, +64 @@

 
  Promotion to the commons proper is not the only route out of the sandbox. The commons proper isn't always the best place for all components from the sandbox.  There isn't any reason why a component couldn't move directly from the sandbox to become a project or a subproject. At least one component has moved from the sandbox to sourceforge and then finally back to the incubator.
 
- Promotion is basically a beauty contest. If the component can win enough votes and few enough people vote against it, then the component is promoted. But there is one thing that is most definitly required:
+ Promotion is basically a beauty contest. If the component can win enough votes and few enough people vote against it, then the component is promoted. But there is one thing that is most definitely required:
 
  * Compliance with Apache Software Federation policies. This means a full license at the top of every file. It means auditing the dependencies. It means ensuring the copyright date is correct on the licenses.
 
@@ -70, +74 @@

 
  * A good PROPOSAL. A good PROPOSAL is clearly written and tightly scoped (ie. specific rather than general). Commons components are small, resuable components. The commons does not do frameworks and anything frameworkesque is likely to be viewed with scepticism. A PROPOSAL that duplicates an existing component will probably be viewed with suspicion. This is not because duplication is disallowed (overlapping components are specifically allowed by the charter) but because it indicates that the PROPOSAL fails to indicate the essential difference between the proposed component and the existing one. For example, a PROSPOSAL for a small, fast, compact xml-object mapper with minimal dependencies would be more likely to succeed than a PROPOSAL for 'a better version of commons-digester'.
 
- * The health of the development community. Fellow committers need to be persuaded that users will be supported and the code pushed forward by the listed committers. This is a major issue since there's only a limited amount of energy amongst the commons committers and no one wants to have to support a component whose committers have gone AWAL.
+ * The health of the development community. Fellow committers need to be persuaded that users will be supported and the code pushed forward by the listed committers. This is a major issue since there's only a limited amount of energy amongst the commons committers and no one wants to have to support a component whose committers have gone AWOL.
 
  * The people proposing the component. It's a sad fact of life but a PROPOSAL that comes from well known and respected Apache committers is more likely to be viewed positively than a PROPOSAL by people not well known to the Commons Team. Please don't get offended - you'll just need to work that little bit harder.
 
@@ -84, +88 @@

 
  * Please give the proposal enough time to give everything the chance to VOTE. I leave promotion VOTEs several days - maybe up to a week. When VOTEs have stopped coming in then please the proposer should post a <tt>[VOTE][RESULT]</tt> giving counts. Only the VOTEs of commons committers are binding so please make sure that these are tallied separately. The reason why a result email is good is that VOTE thread tend to peter out and so without a final email, it's hard to look back through the archives and find out what's happened. Another reason is that it's a good way to let everyone know what the result was. If there are any disagreements about the result, they can be resolved then.
 
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Re: [Jakarta-commons Wiki] Update of "JakartaCommonsEtiquette" by SimonKitching

Mattias J
SimonKitching wrote:

>+ Any Jakarta committer (not just commons committers) has the right ask
>for karma (commit access) and have it granted. The right place to ask is
>on the commons-dev mailing list.
>
>+ Commit access to the sandbox is unfortunately '''not''' available to
>people who are not existing Jakarta committers, no matter how good their
>idea. Such projects are generally encouraged to start somewhere like
>sourceforge.net. Once a solid community has been established and existing
>projects are using the component, it may be possible to integrate the
>project direct into commons if the project developers feel that is
>appropriate, and the commons community feels the component is a good fit
>with commons goals.

And if I am not currently a Jakarta commiter, but would like sandbox commit
access for existing sandbox projects?

  /Mattias Jiderhamn


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Re: [Jakarta-commons Wiki] Update of "JakartaCommonsEtiquette" by SimonKitching

Simon Kitching
On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 09:44 +0200, Mattias J wrote:

> SimonKitching wrote:
> >+ Any Jakarta committer (not just commons committers) has the right ask
> >for karma (commit access) and have it granted. The right place to ask is
> >on the commons-dev mailing list.
> >
> >+ Commit access to the sandbox is unfortunately '''not''' available to
> >people who are not existing Jakarta committers, no matter how good their
> >idea. Such projects are generally encouraged to start somewhere like
> >sourceforge.net. Once a solid community has been established and existing
> >projects are using the component, it may be possible to integrate the
> >project direct into commons if the project developers feel that is
> >appropriate, and the commons community feels the component is a good fit
> >with commons goals.
>
> And if I am not currently a Jakarta commiter, but would like sandbox commit
> access for existing sandbox projects?

As you may have seen, the page has been corrected to say that any ASF
committer can get access to the sandbox (not just Jakarta committers).

If you're not an ASF committer, then I think the current policy is that
no, you can't get commit access to the sandbox. However if you have
provided a good set of patches to the ASF members who created the
sandbox project, they can always nominate you as a commons committer (or
any other relevant ASF project) which then gives you access to the
sandbox too.

The main issue with having commit access is that you need to have signed
the appropriate legal forms. And also access control isn't
per-sandbox-project, but across the whole sandbox, so people need to
know you a bit first before granting that.

Cheers,

Simon


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Re: [Jakarta-commons Wiki] Update of "JakartaCommonsEtiquette" by SimonKitching

Mattias Jiderhamn-2
At 2005-05-14 00:51, Simon Kitching wrote:

>On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 09:44 +0200, Mattias J wrote:
> > And if I am not currently a Jakarta commiter, but would like sandbox
> commit
> > access for existing sandbox projects?
>
>If you're not an ASF committer, then I think the current policy is that
>no, you can't get commit access to the sandbox. However ... they can
>always nominate you as a commons committer (or
>any other relevant ASF project) which then gives you access to the sandbox
>too.

So you cannot be a commons sandbox only committer?

>The main issue with having commit access is that you need to have signed
>the appropriate legal forms.

As understand it, you must sign the CLA before anybody else commits your
patches too.

Anyway, a link to http://jakarta.apache.org/site/source.html or any of it's
"parents" from the etiquette page might be appropriate.



   /Mattias Jiderhamn
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Re: [Jakarta-commons Wiki] Update of "JakartaCommonsEtiquette" by SimonKitching

Martin Cooper
On 5/14/05, Mattias J <[hidden email]> wrote:

> At 2005-05-14 00:51, Simon Kitching wrote:
> >On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 09:44 +0200, Mattias J wrote:
> > > And if I am not currently a Jakarta commiter, but would like sandbox
> > commit
> > > access for existing sandbox projects?
> >
> >If you're not an ASF committer, then I think the current policy is that
> >no, you can't get commit access to the sandbox. However ... they can
> >always nominate you as a commons committer (or
> >any other relevant ASF project) which then gives you access to the sandbox
> >too.
>
> So you cannot be a commons sandbox only committer?

Correct. The intent of the sandbox is to provide an area in which
existing ASF committers can explore the viability of extracting
potentially common code from an existing ASF code base into a
shareable component. (That intent has been stretched somewhat, but
that is still the real purpose of the sandbox.)

> >The main issue with having commit access is that you need to have signed
> >the appropriate legal forms.
>
> As understand it, you must sign the CLA before anybody else commits your
> patches too.

That depends on the scale of the patches. For most patches that are
bug fixes or perhaps minor enhancements, a CLA is not generally
necessary. (I say "generally" because it may depend on your employer's
policies on IP ownership and contributing to open source projects.)
For substantial contributions, a CLA may be necessary.

--
Martin Cooper


> Anyway, a link to http://jakarta.apache.org/site/source.html or any of it's
> "parents" from the etiquette page might be appropriate.
>
>    /Mattias Jiderhamn
>
>

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