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Gilles Sadowski
Hello.


IMO, it would make sense that the next release of Commons
Math (v4.0) depend on "Commons Numbers" (v1.0 ?) and
Commons RNG (v1.1).

Could people who volunteered for moving/refactoring the
codes provide some status information and expected roadmap
for getting to a state where release of the existing modules
could be considered?
  * commons-numbers-core
     - Which other classes (namely from "o.a.c.math4.utils")
       yet to add?
  * commons-numbers-complex
     - Add "Complex" solvers (?)
  * commons-numbers-fraction
     - Add "ContinuedFraction" (?)
  * commons-numbers-quaternion

The purpose is of course to drop the corresponding CM packages.

New modules to consider for Commons Numbers:
  * commons-numbers-combinatorics
  * commons-numbers-jdkmath (from "o.a.c.m.util.FastMath")
     - Or drop "FastMath" altogether?
       Cf. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MATH-740
  * commons-numbers-arrays (from "o.a.c.m.util.MathArrays")
  * commons-numbers-primes (from "o.a.c.m.primes")
Please comment.

Also, what is status of "Commons SigProc"?
If this new component would be released, then I guess that we
could safely drop package "o.a.c.math4.filter".


Regards,
Gilles

P.S. My last post about the CM's JIRA backlog did not elicit
      much reaction. I'd like to know what the PMC members think
      of that situation. Is the status quo (i.e. the image of CM
      getting worse with each reported bug) satisfactory for the
      PMC? [Gary, please include in the report a paragraph about
      the state of the matter.]


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Re: [Math][Numbers] Release(s)? What? When? Who?

garydgregory
Hi Gilles,

My guess is that we experiencing a mix folks being busy and a lack of fresh
blood in Commons. I know I am busy ATM! I bet you must feel frustrated and
I am sorry about that. It does not help that there are different opinions
on how to organize items or not between Commons components. Speaking
personally, I do not have the bandwidth ATM to dig in Commons Math and
related code within and without that component. I hope others can chip in
in keeping this part of our community active.

Cheers,
Gary

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Gilles <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello.
>
>
> IMO, it would make sense that the next release of Commons
> Math (v4.0) depend on "Commons Numbers" (v1.0 ?) and
> Commons RNG (v1.1).
>
> Could people who volunteered for moving/refactoring the
> codes provide some status information and expected roadmap
> for getting to a state where release of the existing modules
> could be considered?
>  * commons-numbers-core
>     - Which other classes (namely from "o.a.c.math4.utils")
>       yet to add?
>  * commons-numbers-complex
>     - Add "Complex" solvers (?)
>  * commons-numbers-fraction
>     - Add "ContinuedFraction" (?)
>  * commons-numbers-quaternion
>
> The purpose is of course to drop the corresponding CM packages.
>
> New modules to consider for Commons Numbers:
>  * commons-numbers-combinatorics
>  * commons-numbers-jdkmath (from "o.a.c.m.util.FastMath")
>     - Or drop "FastMath" altogether?
>       Cf. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MATH-740
>  * commons-numbers-arrays (from "o.a.c.m.util.MathArrays")
>  * commons-numbers-primes (from "o.a.c.m.primes")
> Please comment.
>
> Also, what is status of "Commons SigProc"?
> If this new component would be released, then I guess that we
> could safely drop package "o.a.c.math4.filter".
>
>
> Regards,
> Gilles
>
> P.S. My last post about the CM's JIRA backlog did not elicit
>      much reaction. I'd like to know what the PMC members think
>      of that situation. Is the status quo (i.e. the image of CM
>      getting worse with each reported bug) satisfactory for the
>      PMC? [Gary, please include in the report a paragraph about
>      the state of the matter.]
>
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Re: [Math][Numbers] Release(s)? What? When? Who?

Rob Tompkins-2
On Apr 7, 2017, at 2:50 PM, Gary Gregory <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Gilles,

My guess is that we experiencing a mix folks being busy and a lack of fresh
blood in Commons. I know I am busy ATM! I bet you must feel frustrated and
I am sorry about that. It does not help that there are different opinions
on how to organize items or not between Commons components. Speaking
personally, I do not have the bandwidth ATM to dig in Commons Math and
related code within and without that component. I hope others can chip in
in keeping this part of our community active.

Cheers,
Gary

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Gilles <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello.


IMO, it would make sense that the next release of Commons
Math (v4.0) depend on "Commons Numbers" (v1.0 ?) and
Commons RNG (v1.1).

Could people who volunteered for moving/refactoring the
codes provide some status information and expected roadmap
for getting to a state where release of the existing modules
could be considered?
* commons-numbers-core
   - Which other classes (namely from "o.a.c.math4.utils")
     yet to add?
* commons-numbers-complex
   - Add "Complex" solvers (?)
* commons-numbers-fraction
   - Add "ContinuedFraction" (?)
* commons-numbers-quaternion

The purpose is of course to drop the corresponding CM packages.

New modules to consider for Commons Numbers:
* commons-numbers-combinatorics
* commons-numbers-jdkmath (from "o.a.c.m.util.FastMath")
   - Or drop "FastMath" altogether?
     Cf. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MATH-740
* commons-numbers-arrays (from "o.a.c.m.util.MathArrays")
* commons-numbers-primes (from "o.a.c.m.primes")
Please comment.

Also, what is status of "Commons SigProc"?
If this new component would be released, then I guess that we
could safely drop package "o.a.c.math4.filter".


Regards,
Gilles

P.S. My last post about the CM's JIRA backlog did not elicit
    much reaction.


You will have to pardon me Gilles, as I have, much like Gary, have been
quite busy of late. I suppose the main question here should be: of the 101
open, in-progress, or reopened, jiras, which most need to be in 4.0. Can we
sort them into two categories, 4.0 and 4.X? Do you mind if I try to make
some headway in this area? I will continue to read through the issues to
see wha

I'd like to know what the PMC members think
    of that situation. Is the status quo (i.e. the image of CM
    getting worse with each reported bug) satisfactory for the
    PMC? [Gary, please include in the report a paragraph about
    the state of the matter.]


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Re: [Math][Numbers] Release(s)? What? When? Who?

Gilles Sadowski
Hi Rob, and all.

[Your mail arrived a bit mangled with other posts.]

On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 08:05:07 -0400, Rob Tompkins wrote:

> > [...]
>
>
> You will have to pardon me Gilles, as I have, much like Gary, have
> been
> quite busy of late. I suppose the main question here should be: of
> the 101
> open, in-progress, or reopened, jiras, which most need to be in 4.0.
> Can we
> sort them into two categories, 4.0 and 4.X? Do you mind if I try to
> make
> some headway in this area? I will continue to read through the issues
> to
> see wha
>

[Seems there was something more you wanted to say.]

Whatever you can do to clean up (request for feedback from the issue
reporter, sort issues, ...) is welcome of course.

Let me be clearer (if I can): I do not (and cannot) request that
contributors spend more time than they have at their disposal.
But I would like to know whether the situation is here to stay, i.e.
whether committers have lost interest in helping with CM and related
stuff.

I recall that I had announced, now almost a year ago, that
1. I do not have the capacity to maintain CM all by myself, and that
    it was/is (IMHO) a disservice to current and future users to let the
    code rot,
2. a viable alternative existed (IMO): more focused components (for
    codes which active contributors could maintain).

AFAIR, the proposal was well accepted by all "new" committers (5
people),
but not by the majority of PMC members (who spoke out).

Since then, no PMC member has significantly contributed to CM so as to
advance towards a future release of the component as is (in the
"master"
branch).

I ask a simple and direct question to all PMC members: Is it now OK
to save the pieces of CM (so that each can be mended at its own pace,
waiting the necessary workforce to do so), or do you prefer that _all_
the code gets less and less relevant (due to bugs or outdated practice
and that the community disappears?

Thanks for your attention,
Gilles



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Re: [Math][Numbers] Release(s)? What? When? Who?

Rob Tompkins

> On Apr 8, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Gilles <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Rob, and all.
>
> [Your mail arrived a bit mangled with other posts.]
>
> On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 08:05:07 -0400, Rob Tompkins wrote:
>> > [...]
>>
>>
>> You will have to pardon me Gilles, as I have, much like Gary, have been
>> quite busy of late. I suppose the main question here should be: of the 101
>> open, in-progress, or reopened, jiras, which most need to be in 4.0. Can we
>> sort them into two categories, 4.0 and 4.X? Do you mind if I try to make
>> some headway in this area? I will continue to read through the issues to
>> see wha
>>
>
> [Seems there was something more you wanted to say.]
>
> Whatever you can do to clean up (request for feedback from the issue
> reporter, sort issues, ...) is welcome of course.
>
> Let me be clearer (if I can): I do not (and cannot) request that
> contributors spend more time than they have at their disposal.
> But I would like to know whether the situation is here to stay, i.e.
> whether committers have lost interest in helping with CM and related
> stuff.
>

I am still quite interested in the matter at hand. My current plan is to try to triage those 101 Jiras out there. Then, regardless of direction, we can at least tackle the issues that are the most pressing first.

> I recall that I had announced, now almost a year ago, that
> 1. I do not have the capacity to maintain CM all by myself, and that
>   it was/is (IMHO) a disservice to current and future users to let the
>   code rot,
> 2. a viable alternative existed (IMO): more focused components (for
>   codes which active contributors could maintain).
>
> AFAIR, the proposal was well accepted by all "new" committers (5 people),
> but not by the majority of PMC members (who spoke out).
>
> Since then, no PMC member has significantly contributed to CM so as to
> advance towards a future release of the component as is (in the "master"
> branch).
>
> I ask a simple and direct question to all PMC members: Is it now OK
> to save the pieces of CM (so that each can be mended at its own pace,
> waiting the necessary workforce to do so), or do you prefer that _all_
> the code gets less and less relevant (due to bugs or outdated practice
> and that the community disappears?
>
> Thanks for your attention,
> Gilles
>
>
>
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Re: [Math][Numbers] Release(s)? What? When? Who?

Rob Tompkins
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Has anyone created a Jira as a mechanism to track the decisioning process of classifying the other Jiras in a project? Just curious, because it seems more appropriate than having that discussion out here on the mailing list.

Thoughts?

-Rob

> On Apr 8, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Gilles <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Rob, and all.
>
> [Your mail arrived a bit mangled with other posts.]
>
>> On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 08:05:07 -0400, Rob Tompkins wrote:
>> > [...]
>>
>>
>> You will have to pardon me Gilles, as I have, much like Gary, have been
>> quite busy of late. I suppose the main question here should be: of the 101
>> open, in-progress, or reopened, jiras, which most need to be in 4.0. Can we
>> sort them into two categories, 4.0 and 4.X? Do you mind if I try to make
>> some headway in this area? I will continue to read through the issues to
>> see wha
>>
>
> [Seems there was something more you wanted to say.]
>
> Whatever you can do to clean up (request for feedback from the issue
> reporter, sort issues, ...) is welcome of course.
>
> Let me be clearer (if I can): I do not (and cannot) request that
> contributors spend more time than they have at their disposal.
> But I would like to know whether the situation is here to stay, i.e.
> whether committers have lost interest in helping with CM and related
> stuff.
>
> I recall that I had announced, now almost a year ago, that
> 1. I do not have the capacity to maintain CM all by myself, and that
>   it was/is (IMHO) a disservice to current and future users to let the
>   code rot,
> 2. a viable alternative existed (IMO): more focused components (for
>   codes which active contributors could maintain).
>
> AFAIR, the proposal was well accepted by all "new" committers (5 people),
> but not by the majority of PMC members (who spoke out).
>
> Since then, no PMC member has significantly contributed to CM so as to
> advance towards a future release of the component as is (in the "master"
> branch).
>
> I ask a simple and direct question to all PMC members: Is it now OK
> to save the pieces of CM (so that each can be mended at its own pace,
> waiting the necessary workforce to do so), or do you prefer that _all_
> the code gets less and less relevant (due to bugs or outdated practice
> and that the community disappears?
>
> Thanks for your attention,
> Gilles
>
>
>
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Re: [Math][Numbers] Release(s)? What? When? Who?

Gilles Sadowski
Hi.

On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 14:01:54 -0400, Rob Tompkins wrote:
> Has anyone created a Jira as a mechanism to track the decisioning
> process of classifying the other Jiras in a project?

Not sure if it's what you mean, but there already were issues
opened for tracking progress towards a release.

Gilles

> Just curious,
> because it seems more appropriate than having that discussion out
> here
> on the mailing list.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -Rob
>
>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Gilles <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rob, and all.
>>
>> [Your mail arrived a bit mangled with other posts.]
>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 08:05:07 -0400, Rob Tompkins wrote:
>>> > [...]
>>>
>>>
>>> You will have to pardon me Gilles, as I have, much like Gary, have
>>> been
>>> quite busy of late. I suppose the main question here should be: of
>>> the 101
>>> open, in-progress, or reopened, jiras, which most need to be in
>>> 4.0. Can we
>>> sort them into two categories, 4.0 and 4.X? Do you mind if I try to
>>> make
>>> some headway in this area? I will continue to read through the
>>> issues to
>>> see wha
>>>
>>
>> [Seems there was something more you wanted to say.]
>>
>> Whatever you can do to clean up (request for feedback from the issue
>> reporter, sort issues, ...) is welcome of course.
>>
>> Let me be clearer (if I can): I do not (and cannot) request that
>> contributors spend more time than they have at their disposal.
>> But I would like to know whether the situation is here to stay, i.e.
>> whether committers have lost interest in helping with CM and related
>> stuff.
>>
>> I recall that I had announced, now almost a year ago, that
>> 1. I do not have the capacity to maintain CM all by myself, and that
>>   it was/is (IMHO) a disservice to current and future users to let
>> the
>>   code rot,
>> 2. a viable alternative existed (IMO): more focused components (for
>>   codes which active contributors could maintain).
>>
>> AFAIR, the proposal was well accepted by all "new" committers (5
>> people),
>> but not by the majority of PMC members (who spoke out).
>>
>> Since then, no PMC member has significantly contributed to CM so as
>> to
>> advance towards a future release of the component as is (in the
>> "master"
>> branch).
>>
>> I ask a simple and direct question to all PMC members: Is it now OK
>> to save the pieces of CM (so that each can be mended at its own
>> pace,
>> waiting the necessary workforce to do so), or do you prefer that
>> _all_
>> the code gets less and less relevant (due to bugs or outdated
>> practice
>> and that the community disappears?
>>
>> Thanks for your attention,
>> Gilles


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Raymond DeCampo
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On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Gilles <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hello.
>
>
> IMO, it would make sense that the next release of Commons
> Math (v4.0) depend on "Commons Numbers" (v1.0 ?) and
> Commons RNG (v1.1).
>
> Could people who volunteered for moving/refactoring the
> codes provide some status information and expected roadmap
> for getting to a state where release of the existing modules
> could be considered?
>  * commons-numbers-core
>     - Which other classes (namely from "o.a.c.math4.utils")
>       yet to add?
>  * commons-numbers-complex
>     - Add "Complex" solvers (?)
>  * commons-numbers-fraction
>     - Add "ContinuedFraction" (?)
>

Looks like a good match to me.


>  * commons-numbers-quaternion
>
> The purpose is of course to drop the corresponding CM packages.
>
> New modules to consider for Commons Numbers:
>  * commons-numbers-combinatorics
>  * commons-numbers-jdkmath (from "o.a.c.m.util.FastMath")
>     - Or drop "FastMath" altogether?
>       Cf. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MATH-740


My inclination would be to drop it based on the discussion in the
referenced issue


>
>  * commons-numbers-arrays (from "o.a.c.m.util.MathArrays")
>

Also DoubleArray and ResizableDoubleArray


>  * commons-numbers-primes (from "o.a.c.m.primes")
>

This looks like a natural fit for numbers.
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Raymond DeCampo
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On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Gilles <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 14:01:54 -0400, Rob Tompkins wrote:
>
>> Has anyone created a Jira as a mechanism to track the decisioning
>> process of classifying the other Jiras in a project?
>>
>
> Not sure if it's what you mean, but there already were issues
> opened for tracking progress towards a release.
>
>
Gilles, what are you referring to here?  Please forgive my lack of
familiarity with Jira.

And speaking of Jira, my Jira account does not seem to have proper
permissions to close out issues.  Who should I contact to resolve that?
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Re: [Math][Numbers] Release(s)? What? When? Who?

Gilles Sadowski
Hello.

On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 07:56:49 -0400, Raymond DeCampo wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Gilles <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 14:01:54 -0400, Rob Tompkins wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone created a Jira as a mechanism to track the decisioning
>>> process of classifying the other Jiras in a project?
>>>
>>
>> Not sure if it's what you mean, but there already were issues
>> opened for tracking progress towards a release.
>>
>>
> Gilles, what are you referring to here?  Please forgive my lack of
> familiarity with Jira.

I'm also not a JIRA power user; it is just a proposal to open a
regular issue as a "TO DO" list, akin to what has been done for
Commons RNG:
   https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RNG-6

> And speaking of Jira, my Jira account does not seem to have proper
> permissions to close out issues.

Does it occur for all (Commons) JIRA projects?

> Who should I contact to resolve that?

Gary (project's chair)? [IIRC, there has been some mix-up with
your Apache account(s).]


Regards,
Gilles


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Gilles Sadowski
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 07:56:49 -0400, Raymond DeCampo wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Gilles <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 14:01:54 -0400, Rob Tompkins wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone created a Jira as a mechanism to track the decisioning
>>> process of classifying the other Jiras in a project?
>>>
>>
>> Not sure if it's what you mean, but there already were issues
>> opened for tracking progress towards a release.
>>
>>
> Gilles, what are you referring to here?  Please forgive my lack of
> familiarity with Jira.
>
> And speaking of Jira, my Jira account does not seem to have proper
> permissions to close out issues.

When it's solved, please "resolve" the issues instead; "close"
is usually done post-release. [Actually, I do not know why it's
better that way!]

Thanks,
Gilles

> Who should I contact to resolve that?


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Re: [Math][Numbers] Release(s)? What? When? Who?

Raymond DeCampo
In reply to this post by Gilles Sadowski
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Gilles <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hello.
>
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 07:56:49 -0400, Raymond DeCampo wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Gilles <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 14:01:54 -0400, Rob Tompkins wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone created a Jira as a mechanism to track the decisioning
>>>> process of classifying the other Jiras in a project?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Not sure if it's what you mean, but there already were issues
>>> opened for tracking progress towards a release.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gilles, what are you referring to here?  Please forgive my lack of
>> familiarity with Jira.
>>
>
> I'm also not a JIRA power user; it is just a proposal to open a
> regular issue as a "TO DO" list, akin to what has been done for
> Commons RNG:
>   https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RNG-6
>
> And speaking of Jira, my Jira account does not seem to have proper
>> permissions to close out issues.
>>
>
> Does it occur for all (Commons) JIRA projects?


I checked with numbers, math and text and it happens with all of them.


>
>
> Who should I contact to resolve that?
>>
>
> Gary (project's chair)? [IIRC, there has been some mix-up with
> your Apache account(s).]
>
>
Yes, I had two Apache accounts for a bit, but that has been resolved and
there is only the one now.
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Re: [Math][Numbers] Release(s)? What? When? Who?

Gilles Sadowski
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 09:23:02 -0400, Raymond DeCampo wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Gilles
> <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 07:56:49 -0400, Raymond DeCampo wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Gilles
>>> <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 14:01:54 -0400, Rob Tompkins wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone created a Jira as a mechanism to track the decisioning
>>>>> process of classifying the other Jiras in a project?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Not sure if it's what you mean, but there already were issues
>>>> opened for tracking progress towards a release.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gilles, what are you referring to here?  Please forgive my lack of
>>> familiarity with Jira.
>>>
>>
>> I'm also not a JIRA power user; it is just a proposal to open a
>> regular issue as a "TO DO" list, akin to what has been done for
>> Commons RNG:
>>   https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RNG-6
>>
>> And speaking of Jira, my Jira account does not seem to have proper
>>> permissions to close out issues.
>>>
>>
>> Does it occur for all (Commons) JIRA projects?
>
>
> I checked with numbers, math and text and it happens with all of
> them.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Who should I contact to resolve that?
>>>
>>
>> Gary (project's chair)? [IIRC, there has been some mix-up with
>> your Apache account(s).]
>>
>>
> Yes, I had two Apache accounts for a bit, but that has been resolved
> and
> there is only the one now.

Then there must be some global setting missing, as I don't see
anything in the JIRA for "Numbers" that would set you apart from
the other committers.

Regards,
Gilles


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