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Prefix for mails to user@commons.apache.org?

Thomas Brand

Hi,
when i receive mail from other lists, they have a subject like
[listname] subject, which makes it easy to quickly sort and overview mails
from multiple lists in one box (i.e. the inbox). It also makes it easier
to quickly filter from spam messages.
Would it be possible that listserver from  [hidden email] would
automagically prefix the subject?
Thanks + best regards
Thomas


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Re: Prefix for mails to user@commons.apache.org?

Mark Thomas
On 30/08/2016 16:14, Thomas Brand wrote:
>
> Hi,
> when i receive mail from other lists, they have a subject like
> [listname] subject, which makes it easy to quickly sort and overview mails
> from multiple lists in one box (i.e. the inbox). It also makes it easier
> to quickly filter from spam messages.
> Would it be possible that listserver from  [hidden email] would
> automagically prefix the subject?

Unlikely.

The ASF mail server sets the List-Id mail header which can be used for
sorting / filtering.

Mark


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Re: Prefix for mails to user@commons.apache.org?

Thomas Brand
On Tue, August 30, 2016 17:18, Mark Thomas wrote:

> On 30/08/2016 16:14, Thomas Brand wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>> when i receive mail from other lists, they have a subject like [listname]
>> subject, which akes it easy to quickly sort and overview mails from
>> multiple lists in one box (i.e. the inbox). It also makes it easier to
>> quickly filter from spam messages. Would it be possible that listserver
>> from  [hidden email] would automagically prefix the subject?
>
> Unlikely.
>
>
> The ASF mail server sets the List-Id mail header which can be used for
> sorting / filtering.
>
> Mark
>

I see, fair enough.
Would it hurt though if there would be this redundancy for dumber clients?
Greetings



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Re: Prefix for mails to user@commons.apache.org?

Matt Sicker
The List-Id header only says which list it's from, not which subproject
it's in.

On 30 August 2016 at 10:23, Thomas Brand <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tue, August 30, 2016 17:18, Mark Thomas wrote:
> > On 30/08/2016 16:14, Thomas Brand wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> when i receive mail from other lists, they have a subject like
> [listname]
> >> subject, which akes it easy to quickly sort and overview mails from
> >> multiple lists in one box (i.e. the inbox). It also makes it easier to
> >> quickly filter from spam messages. Would it be possible that listserver
> >> from  [hidden email] would automagically prefix the subject?
> >
> > Unlikely.
> >
> >
> > The ASF mail server sets the List-Id mail header which can be used for
> > sorting / filtering.
> >
> > Mark
> >
>
> I see, fair enough.
> Would it hurt though if there would be this redundancy for dumber clients?
> Greetings
>
>
>
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AW: Prefix for mails to user@commons.apache.org?

Paix, Manfred

I don't like an additional prefix in the subject line, the subproject like [math] should be enough.

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Matt Sicker [mailto:[hidden email]]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. August 2016 17:43
An: Commons Users List
Betreff: Re: Prefix for mails to [hidden email]?

The List-Id header only says which list it's from, not which subproject it's in.

On 30 August 2016 at 10:23, Thomas Brand <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tue, August 30, 2016 17:18, Mark Thomas wrote:
> > On 30/08/2016 16:14, Thomas Brand wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> when i receive mail from other lists, they have a subject like
> [listname]
> >> subject, which akes it easy to quickly sort and overview mails from
> >> multiple lists in one box (i.e. the inbox). It also makes it easier
> >> to quickly filter from spam messages. Would it be possible that
> >> listserver from  [hidden email] would automagically prefix the subject?
> >
> > Unlikely.
> >
> >
> > The ASF mail server sets the List-Id mail header which can be used
> > for sorting / filtering.
> >
> > Mark
> >
>
> I see, fair enough.
> Would it hurt though if there would be this redundancy for dumber clients?
> Greetings
>
>
>
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Re: Prefix for mails to user@commons.apache.org?

Matt Sicker
Oh, I thought he was talking about subprojects, not lists. Yeah, the
List-Id and other List-* headers are good enough for this normally.

On 30 August 2016 at 10:49, Paix, Manfred <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I don't like an additional prefix in the subject line, the subproject like
> [math] should be enough.
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Matt Sicker [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. August 2016 17:43
> An: Commons Users List
> Betreff: Re: Prefix for mails to [hidden email]?
>
> The List-Id header only says which list it's from, not which subproject
> it's in.
>
> On 30 August 2016 at 10:23, Thomas Brand <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, August 30, 2016 17:18, Mark Thomas wrote:
> > > On 30/08/2016 16:14, Thomas Brand wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >> when i receive mail from other lists, they have a subject like
> > [listname]
> > >> subject, which akes it easy to quickly sort and overview mails from
> > >> multiple lists in one box (i.e. the inbox). It also makes it easier
> > >> to quickly filter from spam messages. Would it be possible that
> > >> listserver from  [hidden email] would automagically prefix
> the subject?
> > >
> > > Unlikely.
> > >
> > >
> > > The ASF mail server sets the List-Id mail header which can be used
> > > for sorting / filtering.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> >
> > I see, fair enough.
> > Would it hurt though if there would be this redundancy for dumber
> clients?
> > Greetings
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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>
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Re: Prefix for mails to user@commons.apache.org?

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Matt,

On 8/30/16 12:01 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:
> Oh, I thought he was talking about subprojects, not lists. Yeah,
> the List-Id and other List-* headers are good enough for this
> normally.

.. or the "TO" or "CC" headers. Any client should be able to route
messages based upon those.

- -chris

> On 30 August 2016 at 10:49, Paix, Manfred <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't like an additional prefix in the subject line, the
>> subproject like [math] should be enough.
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Matt Sicker
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. August 2016
>> 17:43 An: Commons Users List Betreff: Re: Prefix for mails to
>> [hidden email]?
>>
>> The List-Id header only says which list it's from, not which
>> subproject it's in.
>>
>> On 30 August 2016 at 10:23, Thomas Brand <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, August 30, 2016 17:18, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>> On 30/08/2016 16:14, Thomas Brand wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, when i receive mail from other lists, they have a
>>>>> subject like
>>> [listname]
>>>>> subject, which akes it easy to quickly sort and overview
>>>>> mails from multiple lists in one box (i.e. the inbox). It
>>>>> also makes it easier to quickly filter from spam messages.
>>>>> Would it be possible that listserver from
>>>>> [hidden email] would automagically prefix
>> the subject?
>>>>
>>>> Unlikely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The ASF mail server sets the List-Id mail header which can be
>>>> used for sorting / filtering.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>
>>> I see, fair enough. Would it hurt though if there would be this
>>> redundancy for dumber
>> clients?
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>
>>>
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>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- Matt Sicker <[hidden email]>
>>
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Re: Prefix for mails to user@commons.apache.org?

Thomas Brand

Hi,
i understand that using the list-id in the header is the correct thing to
do, and using that id is certainly an elegant way to i.e. automatically
file these messages into its own folder. However setting up filters isn't
sometimes easy or limited and mails end up flat. Please have a look at
this screenshot part:
http://picpaste.com/pics/inbox_list_messages-AZ0VF5BA.1472591249.png
It must be obvious that a tag *in the subject* can be helpful. If along
"tagged" messages, there are messages from random people with random
subjects, it makes it harder at least in that scenario i'm using mail
(blame on how).
These few additional bytes wouldn't be a waste of anything IMHO. :)
Cheers
Thomas

On Tue, August 30, 2016 18:57, Christopher Schultz wrote:

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> Matt,
>
>
> On 8/30/16 12:01 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
>> Oh, I thought he was talking about subprojects, not lists. Yeah,
>> the List-Id and other List-* headers are good enough for this normally.
>
> .. or the "TO" or "CC" headers. Any client should be able to route
> messages based upon those.
>
> - -chris
>
>
>> On 30 August 2016 at 10:49, Paix, Manfred <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I don't like an additional prefix in the subject line, the
>>> subproject like [math] should be enough.
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Matt Sicker
>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. August 2016
>>> 17:43 An: Commons Users List Betreff: Re: Prefix for mails to
>>> [hidden email]?
>>>
>>> The List-Id header only says which list it's from, not which
>>> subproject it's in.
>>>
>>> On 30 August 2016 at 10:23, Thomas Brand <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, August 30, 2016 17:18, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/08/2016 16:14, Thomas Brand wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, when i receive mail from other lists, they have a
>>>>>> subject like
>>>> [listname]
>>>>
>>>>>> subject, which akes it easy to quickly sort and overview mails
>>>>>> from multiple lists in one box (i.e. the inbox). It also makes
>>>>>> it easier to quickly filter from spam messages. Would it be
>>>>>> possible that listserver from [hidden email] would
>>>>>> automagically prefix
>>> the subject?
>>>>>
>>>>> Unlikely.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The ASF mail server sets the List-Id mail header which can be
>>>>> used for sorting / filtering.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I see, fair enough. Would it hurt though if there would be this
>>>> redundancy for dumber
>>> clients?
>>>> Greetings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> -
>>>>
> - -
>
>>>>
>>>>
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
>
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Matt Sicker <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
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Re: Prefix for mails to user@commons.apache.org?

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On 30 August 2016 at 22:14, Thomas Brand <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> i understand that using the list-id in the header is the correct thing to
> do, and using that id is certainly an elegant way to i.e. automatically
> file these messages into its own folder. However setting up filters isn't
> sometimes easy or limited and mails end up flat. Please have a look at
> this screenshot part:
> http://picpaste.com/pics/inbox_list_messages-AZ0VF5BA.1472591249.png
> It must be obvious that a tag *in the subject* can be helpful. If along
> "tagged" messages, there are messages from random people with random
> subjects, it makes it harder at least in that scenario i'm using mail
> (blame on how).

Note that there are lots of ASF mailing lists.
Indeed there are lots of ASF user mailing lists.
And other organisations have user mailing lists too.
So the feature would only work if the full mailing list id was used.

Also the Commons mailing lists cover multiple components; the
convention is to prefix the subject with the [component] name.
So the full subject for this mail would become:

[hidden email] [ALL] Prefix for mails to [hidden email]?

> These few additional bytes wouldn't be a waste of anything IMHO. :)

It's not just a few bytes, and it does cause problems:
As far as I can tell from the screenshot you referenced, the prefix
would result in truncation of the actual subject.

> Cheers
> Thomas
>
> On Tue, August 30, 2016 18:57, Christopher Schultz wrote:
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>> Matt,
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/16 12:01 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I thought he was talking about subprojects, not lists. Yeah,
>>> the List-Id and other List-* headers are good enough for this normally.
>>
>> .. or the "TO" or "CC" headers. Any client should be able to route
>> messages based upon those.
>>
>> - -chris
>>
>>
>>> On 30 August 2016 at 10:49, Paix, Manfred <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't like an additional prefix in the subject line, the
>>>> subproject like [math] should be enough.
>>>>
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Matt Sicker
>>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. August 2016
>>>> 17:43 An: Commons Users List Betreff: Re: Prefix for mails to
>>>> [hidden email]?
>>>>
>>>> The List-Id header only says which list it's from, not which
>>>> subproject it's in.
>>>>
>>>> On 30 August 2016 at 10:23, Thomas Brand <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, August 30, 2016 17:18, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/08/2016 16:14, Thomas Brand wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, when i receive mail from other lists, they have a
>>>>>>> subject like
>>>>> [listname]
>>>>>
>>>>>>> subject, which akes it easy to quickly sort and overview mails
>>>>>>> from multiple lists in one box (i.e. the inbox). It also makes
>>>>>>> it easier to quickly filter from spam messages. Would it be
>>>>>>> possible that listserver from [hidden email] would
>>>>>>> automagically prefix
>>>> the subject?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unlikely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ASF mail server sets the List-Id mail header which can be
>>>>>> used for sorting / filtering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I see, fair enough. Would it hurt though if there would be this
>>>>> redundancy for dumber
>>>> clients?
>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>> - -
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
>>
>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Matt Sicker <[hidden email]>
>>>>
>>>>
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