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[math] Volunteer for the new TLP PMC

Phil Steitz
Please respond to this thread if you are a Commons Committer
interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].

Thanks!

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Re: [math] Volunteer for the new TLP PMC

Luc Maisonobe-2
Le 24/01/2016 21:54, Phil Steitz a écrit :
> Please respond to this thread if you are a Commons Committer
> interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].

I would be honored to join the new PMC.

best regards,
Luc

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Re: [math] Volunteer for the new TLP PMC

Phil Steitz
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On 1/24/16 1:54 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
> Please respond to this thread if you are a Commons Committer
> interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].
>
> Thanks!
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> Phil
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Here is my own volunteering :)

Phil

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Re: [math] Volunteer for the new TLP PMC

garydgregory
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I'd happy and honored to join you all even though I am not a pure math guy.
I believe I may have experience and sometimes a different perspective that
might help (or not ;-)

Gary
On Jan 24, 2016 12:55 PM, "Phil Steitz" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Please respond to this thread if you are a Commons Committer
> interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].
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> Thanks!
>
> Phil
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Re: [math] Volunteer for the new TLP PMC

Thomas Neidhart
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On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Phil Steitz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Please respond to this thread if you are a Commons Committer
> interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].
>

Hi Phil,

thanks for pushing this whole issue!

I am happy to volunteer for the new PMC to be formed.

Thomas
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Re: [math] Volunteer for the new TLP PMC

Gilles Sadowski
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On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:54:51 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
> Please respond to this thread if you are a Commons Committer
> interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].
>
> Thanks!
>
> Phil

I'm interested in as much as I'm being curious to see if it
will change anything! :-}

There were a few "negative" arguments, that is was better to
stop "annoying" the other Commons projects. [To which some
responded that they'd prefer the status quo.]

The rationale concerning the size, scope, and management of
Commons Math, (and how different it was from all the other
Commons components), I had brought up on several occasions in
the past.

What has changed?

What are the "positive" arguments?

To be crystal-clear, if the new PMC is composed of the same
people who are the regular contributors to the Commons Math
project, i.e. with the same confronting blocks, I don't see
from where the incentive towards a different development policy
will come.

Various points have been brought up in (too often heated)
discussions (JDK version, development and release policies
such as compatibility, refactoring, multi-threading, exception
handling, etc.).

I think that the volunteers for the new PMC should list their
opinion on fundamental issues that obviously define a "vision"
of the project.

Lacking clear goals[1] is not going to help in any way.
At this point, we can expect administrative chores.
Wouldn't it be a pity to do all that work just to get a new
name?


Regards,
Gilles

[1] There can be seemingly contradictory goals as long as they
     are acknowledged and do not hamper each other (like I've
     expressed in other posts) and sufficient resources exist to
     handle them.


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Re: [math] Volunteer for the new TLP PMC

Phil Steitz
On 1/25/16 6:05 AM, Gilles wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:54:51 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>> Please respond to this thread if you are a Commons Committer
>> interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Phil
>
> I'm interested in as much as I'm being curious to see if it
> will change anything! :-}

Does this mean you are volunteering for the PMC?

Phil

>
> There were a few "negative" arguments, that is was better to
> stop "annoying" the other Commons projects. [To which some
> responded that they'd prefer the status quo.]
>
> The rationale concerning the size, scope, and management of
> Commons Math, (and how different it was from all the other
> Commons components), I had brought up on several occasions in
> the past.
>
> What has changed?
>
> What are the "positive" arguments?
>
> To be crystal-clear, if the new PMC is composed of the same
> people who are the regular contributors to the Commons Math
> project, i.e. with the same confronting blocks, I don't see
> from where the incentive towards a different development policy
> will come.
>
> Various points have been brought up in (too often heated)
> discussions (JDK version, development and release policies
> such as compatibility, refactoring, multi-threading, exception
> handling, etc.).
>
> I think that the volunteers for the new PMC should list their
> opinion on fundamental issues that obviously define a "vision"
> of the project.
>
> Lacking clear goals[1] is not going to help in any way.
> At this point, we can expect administrative chores.
> Wouldn't it be a pity to do all that work just to get a new
> name?
>
>
> Regards,
> Gilles
>
> [1] There can be seemingly contradictory goals as long as they
>     are acknowledged and do not hamper each other (like I've
>     expressed in other posts) and sufficient resources exist to
>     handle them.
>
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Re: [math] Volunteer for the new TLP PMC

William Barker
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On Monday, January 25, 2016, Gilles <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:54:51 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
>> Please respond to this thread if you are a Commons Committer
>> interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Phil
>>
>
> I'm interested in as much as I'm being curious to see if it
> will change anything! :-}
>
> There were a few "negative" arguments, that is was better to
> stop "annoying" the other Commons projects. [To which some
> responded that they'd prefer the status quo.]
>
> The rationale concerning the size, scope, and management of
> Commons Math, (and how different it was from all the other
> Commons components), I had brought up on several occasions in
> the past.
>
> What has changed?
>
> What are the "positive" arguments?
>
> To be crystal-clear, if the new PMC is composed of the same
> people who are the regular contributors to the Commons Math
> project, i.e. with the same confronting blocks, I don't see
> from where the incentive towards a different development policy
> will come.
>
> Various points have been brought up in (too often heated)
> discussions (JDK version, development and release policies
> such as compatibility, refactoring, multi-threading, exception
> handling, etc.).
>
> I think that the volunteers for the new PMC should list their
> opinion on fundamental issues that obviously define a "vision"
> of the project.


Until there is a new PMC there isn't  anyone to vote on campaign platforms
:). That is a discussion for the new PMC

Lacking clear goals[1] is not going to help in any way.

> At this point, we can expect administrative chores.
> Wouldn't it be a pity to do all that work just to get a new
> name?
>
>
> Regards,
> Gilles
>
> [1] There can be seemingly contradictory goals as long as they
>     are acknowledged and do not hamper each other (like I've
>     expressed in other posts) and sufficient resources exist to
>     handle them.
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Re: [math] Volunteer for the new TLP PMC

Phil Steitz
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On 1/24/16 1:54 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
> Please respond to this thread if you are a Commons Committer
> interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].
>
> Thanks!
>
> Phil
>
Any other volunteers?  I would like to move on to drafting the Board
resolution in the next couple of days.

Phil

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Re: [math] Volunteer for the new TLP PMC

Gilles Sadowski
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:22:30 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:

> On 1/24/16 1:54 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
>> Please respond to this thread if you are a Commons Committer
>> interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Phil
>>
> Any other volunteers?  I would like to move on to drafting the Board
> resolution in the next couple of days.

Since the resolution about all Apache committer becoming automatically
a Commons committer, we should perhaps extend this announcement to a
larger audience.

Gilles


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Re: [math] Volunteer for the new TLP PMC

Phil Steitz
On 2/1/16 6:27 AM, Gilles wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:22:30 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>> On 1/24/16 1:54 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>> Please respond to this thread if you are a Commons Committer
>>> interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>> Any other volunteers?  I would like to move on to drafting the Board
>> resolution in the next couple of days.
>
> Since the resolution about all Apache committer becoming
> automatically
> a Commons committer, we should perhaps extend this announcement to a
> larger audience.

Personally, I did not intend that above.  I think its best to
bootstrap the PMC from within the current Commons community.  Once
we have the PMC established, we can talk about how we handle
granting commit.

Phil
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Re: [math] Volunteer for the new TLP PMC

Otmar Ertl
It would be an honor to join.

Otmar

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Phil Steitz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 2/1/16 6:27 AM, Gilles wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:22:30 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>> On 1/24/16 1:54 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>>> Please respond to this thread if you are a Commons Committer
>>>> interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>> Any other volunteers?  I would like to move on to drafting the Board
>>> resolution in the next couple of days.
>>
>> Since the resolution about all Apache committer becoming
>> automatically
>> a Commons committer, we should perhaps extend this announcement to a
>> larger audience.
>
> Personally, I did not intend that above.  I think its best to
> bootstrap the PMC from within the current Commons community.  Once
> we have the PMC established, we can talk about how we handle
> granting commit.
>
> Phil
>>
>> Gilles
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William Barker
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I'd be honored to join the new PMC. I may not be super active on the coding
side, but am happy to provide oversight

On Sunday, January 24, 2016, Phil Steitz <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> interested in joining the PMC for the new TLP based on [math].
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> Thanks!
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